Ep. 140 | BRRRR Method Explained
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John Tripolsky:Somebody is missing from the episode at this current time. He will join us shortly. However, he's not here right now. And why I bring that up right? Timing is everything.
John Tripolsky:Literally with everything. If we're talking taxes, finance, planning, real estate investing, driving to the grocery store, dropping your kid off at daycare, picking your kid up from daycare is a whole another story about being on time. But Chris Picchiro is missing an action at this very moment. So we brought in somebody else who was planned anyways, but here he is. So Jim Ingersoll from Dealmaker.
John Tripolsky:So I'm gonna let Jim tell us his story a little bit. Not only how we got to where he is now, but frankly, why he's here, but also all the amazing things that Dealmaker and that community are up to and why we are bringing him in to talk about the BRRRR method. Now we're also not talking about winter months in Michigan because, yes, that's BRRRR, but this is completely different. Jim, welcome to the show, man. How are you doing today, bud?
Jim Ingersoll:I am doing good. It's not burr here in Virginia today. It's pretty warm. It's gonna be around 80 and beautifully sunny weather. I love it.
Jim Ingersoll:Thanks for having
John Tripolsky:me on. Absolutely. You know, you say it's beautifully and sunny there too. You know, in Michigan, I think it's, like, 80 something today. So if anybody's watching this and not just listening to it on Spotify or wherever, I have this, like, gleaming sun shining in because it's not always sunny here outside of Ann Arbor, but I have this little sliver that's just coming in at me that I can't block.
John Tripolsky:So, Jim, so so me and you and Chris, we met not too long. I met you not too long ago at your event in in March. Not literally not too long ago. And y'all's community really it really impacted me a little bit. Again, I know we've talked about this going to so many events, just the makeup of the individuals there.
John Tripolsky:And I'll let you talk about, you know, really the type of individuals that go to that, but it went so much further than just, hey. This is how you make money. Because you can go to a thousand real estate conferences, and that's their thing. Right? You're there to make money.
John Tripolsky:Let's make this as profitable as it possibly can. I feel like you always hear that, and then you always hear the, well, it's not a get rich quick deal, but you guys offered so much more to it. But then, you know, thinking of the BRRRR method here, and I won't give the definition of it. I love saying it because I always get my tongue tied around it, and I'll I'll let you get into that. But, like, tell us a little bit again about how you got into this because you you have a great story about your community.
John Tripolsky:And then, really, you know, what would you guys do? Like, what Dealmaker's all about? And then we'll talk about BRRR.
Jim Ingersoll:Okay. Well, I left corporate America almost twenty years ago. Now it's been a really long time. And, at that point, I was running two factories. And when I was told, we had to close everything down, corporate came and said, that's it.
Jim Ingersoll:I had to lay everybody off. And I thought, this whole corporate thing is way overrated. Like, it's fun growing a business. It sucks to lay everybody off. And I said, that's it.
Jim Ingersoll:I'm never going back no matter what. So I began jumping back into real estate. Our initial real estate venture, my wife and I started in our early 20s, didn't go well. So she made a statement like, I'm never going to be a landlord again. That cost me about ten years of investing.
Jim Ingersoll:But when we came back in, I learned to invest in myself and get some help in training and mentorship and build systems and processes and networks. And everything started to click when I came back the second time. And from there, the rest is history. We just started wholesaling and we started flipping a bit. And then along the way, to rent.
Jim Ingersoll:I was sort of doing BRRRR before BRRRR was a thing. That term didn't exist, like, fifteen years ago, really. But neither did Facebook, YouTube, or podcasts. So That's true. It's changed.
Jim Ingersoll:And it's probably it's probably really
John Tripolsky:I mean, I'm sure you had that moment. You're like, wait a minute. They just gave an acronym an acronym to something that I've been doing this whole time.
Jim Ingersoll:Exactly right. A whole bunch of crazy looking.
John Tripolsky:So, like, you probably think of it. You're like, I'm not gonna call it BRRRR. I'm gonna call it my own methodology and my own process for doing this.
Jim Ingersoll:There you go.
John Tripolsky:That's how it goes.
Jim Ingersoll:There you go. And so we started to buy and hold, that that sort of changed everything. We started maybe ten or so years ago, started doing some live events, and that morphed into Dealmaker. That first event, we had maybe 30 people at. It was a weekend on I taught people how to flip houses.
Jim Ingersoll:And from there, it's grown. You you were a dealmaker a couple months ago. We had three fifty investors there. And like you said, there's a very diverse group. They're from all over the country.
Jim Ingersoll:We have people doing mobile homes. We have people buying retail centers. We have people building new construction, doing new, know, all of these different things, and they all collaborate. And there's no competition, and everybody helps each other. And that rising tide, we all get better, including myself.
Jim Ingersoll:I walk away from dealmaker inspired like I am ready to invest hardcore when I leave my own dealmaker because everybody inspires me. You know what I mean?
John Tripolsky:Absolutely. And
Jim Ingersoll:so that's sort of the dealmaker way, and we really focus heavy on epic networking and intentional connection and relationship building. But a lot of people that come don't realize they're also going to get a much better mindset. And I'm sure you experienced that as well, because we all experience that mindset shift where we start to believe that we can do it. And I've seen so many people sort of get their start. And then over a few years, all of a sudden they become a millionaire and their life financially changed.
Jim Ingersoll:But it also allows them to live a little differently, give a little bit better, and really live a life of impact. That's why we like working with organizations like Chair of the Love, where we Right. I was just in Guatemala a few weeks ago giving away wheelchairs. So that's a 10,000 foot view of my story in Dealmaker.
John Tripolsky:No. It's then that's perfect. And, really, you know, why why I thought that was so important too to just kinda talk about what you guys have built community wise, right, is I think as we as we bring BRRRR into this. So if anybody's not familiar with BRRRR, let's let's give it a whirl. I'm not I'm gonna try not to twist my tongue up here.
John Tripolsky:So it's buy, rehab, rent, repeat wait.
Jim Ingersoll:Rent You forgot refinance.
John Tripolsky:Repeat. There you go. I got close to the end. Well, that's pro. 85%.
Jim Ingersoll:You got it.
John Tripolsky:So And why why I think that's so cool how it really merges into this conversation, which you guys have done, right, is am am I wrong in saying that's in a lot of times, that's a great kickoff point for somebody really trying to get into real estate investing. Right?
Jim Ingersoll:It is. I think they've got the the letters in reverse order, though, because I think you should always start with your refi, and then, like, build it backwards. Of course, I'm I used to be an engineer, so I'd like to reverse engineer anyways. But if you start with the end in mind, which is your, like, permanent financing for a while, then then you can build the deal to match that permanent financing and make it all work. It's a lot more challenging now with rates, you know, in the sevens than it was in the fours.
Jim Ingersoll:So coming in and you know, we always had the goal of doing BRRRR with little or no money out of our own pocket. And that's how I got started. I didn't have much money when I started. And so I started buying and holding, and one of the biggest goals was to not use my own money. And so that was a lot easier with rates of 4.5 than at 7.5.
Jim Ingersoll:But, you know, it ties back into, if you've got some rentals, maybe you want to do a ten thirty one and use your equity as a down payment on something bigger, and you can do BRRRR that way these days pretty easily as well.
John Tripolsky:Absolutely. And, really, it's I think it's a game. You know, my personal view, I I I wish to say it's a game, but it really is. It's kind of picking and pulling which resources you have and not just financial resources. Right?
John Tripolsky:We're talking, like, people in communities like yourself just coming up with ideas and creative ways to to go about things. I think, you know, over the the past couple years, the three things stick out to me the most of, you know, little nuggets, if we will, I think that I've learned from people just kind of through osmosis. Right? The OPM, so other people's money, obviously, BRRRR, which we're talking about here, and then really just capitalizing on the knowledge of everybody else. So even though it's not really an acronym for that, but people in the real estate investing world, I would say, are probably, at least from what I've experienced, the most willing group of individuals to help each other out.
John Tripolsky:And even if they're in the same market, which is incredible to me. Like, that is awesome to see because, you know, in some say you're at a we'll just say a small business conference. Right? You might have somebody from Detroit and somebody from Detroit right there, and, you know, they're not gonna share everything because they're, you know, kinda going after the same clientele. But in the REI world, I mean, they would say, alright.
John Tripolsky:Let's go into a deal together. Let's literally do it together. Or, hey. There's a property next to mine or something. And I love seeing that.
John Tripolsky:So even just from, you know, a tax advantage standpoint in real estate investing. Right? Your opinion on that and maybe your advice for anybody. How has that really impacted you as an individual, but then other individuals too, where they say, oh my gosh. I didn't know there was all these tax advantages, or I just got in this to to make money, and you're telling me that I'm gonna actually have to cut less of a check to the IRS because now I'm involved in this?
John Tripolsky:And is that something you've seen a lot?
Jim Ingersoll:Yeah. I mean, the depreciation becomes very real in April, doesn't it? Every year. I mean, it's amazing. Now they're talking about bringing back 100% bonus.
Jim Ingersoll:I mean, it's going to be that is going to be a game changer for all of us. They bring that back, and the big beautiful bill gets passed. I mean, it's gonna be game on. There's a lot of stuff in there that's gonna change. So it is good and it is very real.
Jim Ingersoll:You know, I think when I was working corporate America myself, I didn't realize that being an employee is the highest tax you're gonna pay. Like I got out of corporate America and my taxes dropped. And then as I built a rental portfolio, they dropped more. But keep in mind though, like when you sell your worst rentals, you're gonna pay that depreciation recapture. And that's where you wanna learn from folks like you and Chris all about like 1031s.
Jim Ingersoll:And then you can like push it out in the future some more. And some people think, refi till you die. And don't worry about it. You know, just let it keep going. You can pull cash out, completely cash free.
Jim Ingersoll:Tax free, by the way. You know, a refi cash out is, you don't pay any tax on that. It's amazing when you think about it. What an incredible gift to all of us that like to be landlords. You know, and you touched on two really important things, too.
Jim Ingersoll:You talked about OPM and then people helping people, and it's so true. That OPM really all comes back to, like, I classify it as relational capital, because you're going to build relationships with people that can help you fund your deals with OPM. I love that. And then you talked about learning, and that's really the intellectual capital. And we do have to have a foundation of knowing how to do deals and doing BRRRR and doing flips or whatever it is.
Jim Ingersoll:So I'm glad you brought those up as well.
John Tripolsky:Absolutely. And and I look at, you know, the the BRRRR method specifically is it's definitely not a a standalone. Like, this is not just one No. Tool that just sits on an island. Right?
John Tripolsky:Like, you yeah. Everything's different. There's a million different ways to do this. And and maybe if you can think of a couple examples, even, you know, multiple, I'll let you pick. Maybe walk us through some of the Yeah.
John Tripolsky:Experiences you've had or heard about just through BRRRR. Again, just thinking if somebody came to this, they had no idea what they're listening or watching, and now all of a sudden they're here, we're not talking about snow falling in, in June from
Jim Ingersoll:the Michigan side. Minutes, and I'll define what it is. How's
John Tripolsky:that? Perfect.
Jim Ingersoll:Perfect. Let's okay. So I said start with the end in mind. You always you know, Covey was right. Always do everything with the end in mind.
Jim Ingersoll:If you're looking for financial freedom, know what that looks like. If you're looking to buy and hold rental property, know what that permanent financing is. So I always say, start there. Call local banks. Start to understand what it takes for you to be bankable, number one.
Jim Ingersoll:And you can do commercial loans. You could do DSCR loans. They're asset based more than your personal base, which is easier. They're gonna lend on the collateral more than on you personally. Not saying like you don't need a good credit score, could you do?
Jim Ingersoll:And I'm not saying you don't need cash reserves because that's your safety net. But once you get past those two hurdles, the rest of it is based on the property. So you wanna have like a loan to value of like 75% or less. So you gotta buy right. And then you gotta know what your rental cash flow is so you can hit the DSCR, which is basically a cash flow calculation.
Jim Ingersoll:So call a couple local banks, do it today, and find out what their commercial lending guidelines are, or call a DSCR lender. Once you sort of understand those guidelines, you could put together your buy criteria. Some people call it a buy box, but it's really your investment criteria. And that really should meet the end goal of your refi. So you've got to know like how much equity you need, how much rental cash flow you need.
Jim Ingersoll:And when rates were low, like four and a half percent, we would say the 1% rule is good napkin math. And the way that worked was pretty easy. If you bought a $200,000 property, you'd want at least 1% of that in rental income, dollars 2,000 a month. And if you hit that, you are confident you could get into that end financing. While with rates up, you need a little stronger cash flow than that.
Jim Ingersoll:So if you paid $200,000 for a single family home in Ann Arbor, beautiful, historic Michigan
John Tripolsky:Which everybody Jim's saying that because Chris usually likes to throw that in that he's in beautiful, historic Franklin, Tennessee. So
Jim Ingersoll:that's a beautiful, historic Franklin, Tennessee. Every time I visit, I go to Meredith's. We walk around. My wife does a little shopping. You know?
Jim Ingersoll:I I do love it. But It
John Tripolsky:is great.
Jim Ingersoll:So if you're in those areas, you're gonna and you pay $200,000 for a house in Ann Arbor, you're gonna probably want closer to $2,500 a month in rental income in order to get into that financing with as little money out of your own pocket as possible. Once you define that investment criteria, like where you want to invest, whether it's single family, duplex, quad, whatever it is, you know what the rental income needs to be in the equity, then you can begin analyzing deals to see if they'll fit that box. Okay? And then you can buy it. You can buy it with a short term loan.
Jim Ingersoll:We call that OPM. You mentioned it earlier, other people's money. It could be OPI, other people's IRAs, by the way, because if you borrow from somebody in a Roth and they do a private money loan to you, all of that is tax free. I love lending onto my Roth, so I mentioned So that would be like a six month loan. And then that gives you time to rehab it, which is fix it up, make the kitchen look good, get a good roof, HVAC, windows, whatever you're doing.
Jim Ingersoll:Then you rent it. That's pretty easy. Get a property manager if you need help, or do it yourself and save some money and get those skills and processes in. Then you refi it, and then you repeat. That's Burr.
John Tripolsky:Just churn and Burr. And there I it's very interesting to me too because, again, I learned I learned about what BRRRR was a little bit before I actually remembered that there's a very long acronym for it. And the more I kinda took that I think me me and Chris and her team may have been down in Orlando for for an event maybe three years ago, and and that might have been my first, you know, exposure to it. But then coming back home, it was very interesting because I have a lot of friends that are contractors, homebuilders, lot of these guys. And, you know, they'll they'll flip a couple properties here and there.
John Tripolsky:You know, sometimes they'll they'll be in it for the long game. And then I started telling them about it. They're like, no. I don't I I don't know what that is. Like, what do
Jim Ingersoll:you Right. What do
John Tripolsky:you mean? Like, wow. It's a crazy concept, and I wasn't in a position to say, like, oh, let me tell you all about it because I just learned about it seventy two hours ago. So, you know, it's not not a good thing. But then just thinking about how that works.
John Tripolsky:Right? Like, for a specific individual and and let me go back to when you mentioned the buy box. I think that is a if anybody wants to call it whatever they want to, I think that is a great piece of advice for anybody because I see that as a tool that really takes a lot of the emotion out of things. Right? Because you may you may see a property that goes up, and you're like, wow.
John Tripolsky:That's a a screaming deal. I love it. Well, whether you love it or not, doesn't mean it's gonna make you any money. And if it doesn't make you any money, you're gonna come to totally despise this thing because it's gonna be a, you know, a a negative funnel on your bank account. So I like that kind of setting the the perimeter.
John Tripolsky:And if it falls within it and meets your own criteria, nobody else is necessarily at that point. Right? Because if it works for you, then you can kind of figure out what resource you need to make happen. But just that process, and I mentioned contractors, it's awesome for those guys because they come in and, you know, if they have downtime or they plan for it and think about how much money they save in the rehab. Right?
John Tripolsky:Like, that takes out a lot of a lot of the extremes. I actually grabbed lunch with a buddy of mine probably about three, four months ago, and I think he had bought a quad. I believe it was in Downtown Detroit. Got a really good deal on it. I think I could be making this up, but I I think he said something about he had bought it at auction because a a couple of the other deals before that on that property had fallen through.
John Tripolsky:You know, he comes in and has the the manpower, you know, to make it happen because I think it was a fire is is what the situation was. But, right, if you if it wasn't a contractor doing it, it's no longer really a deal for somebody. They may be, you know, over investing in this thing just to make it rentable. And here's another question for you too that I I know somebody spoke about. I don't know if it was on stage at y'all's last event or if it was, the hallway conversations, which are just as good as it is on stage, is I I feel like somebody was talking about Burr and section eight that they were trying to get into that.
John Tripolsky:Is is that a good not is it a good thing. I mean, I love the purpose of it, obviously. But is it a lot harder to do for any reason in that, or is that a good starting point maybe for somebody getting into it or maybe not?
Jim Ingersoll:I like using section eight when the economy sort of crashes a bit like it did in 02/2007. But I have a lot of friends that do Section eight, and they do really well. The nice thing is you get paid every month by the government. But the truth is, like, if you create a really good rental property, you're gonna attract great tenants anyways. And you will get paid every month, even if you don't rely on the government.
Jim Ingersoll:I'll give you an example. I just rented last week a two bedroom apartment in Richmond, and I put it onto Zillow, and I got flooded. I had like 40 people that inquired about it. And I started looking through the applications coming in, and there's at least four or five of them that qualify to buy houses that are renting. You know, they have four to 5x the monthly rent.
Jim Ingersoll:They have good credit scores like 770 and up. I mean, these are great people. So Section eight is good, especially if you're in property like in not the best areas necessarily, but it can be good. But I like it when economies crash. Like, say, AI gets crazy and unemployment jacks up in five years and we have a lot of bankruptcies or whatever happens, those government checks on rent will keep coming in even if your employees aren't working.
Jim Ingersoll:So that's kind of the balance side of it.
John Tripolsky:Right. And with and kinda marrying Burr with that a little bit, it it probably works with that pretty well.
Jim Ingersoll:It does.
John Tripolsky:Right? I mean, and and and maybe even taking a step back, doing that probably as an entry point to somebody into the world Mhmm. And then getting into section eight to start with. Do you see that maybe as
Jim Ingersoll:I mean, can be. I think it's okay. But I I would encourage people to to do non section eight as well. I don't think it really matters. I think it's, the quality of tenet's a little bit different.
Jim Ingersoll:If you're able to create a product that's really good and attract those tenants that are really good that could potentially buy, but they want to rent for a while, which there's lots of them right now, very easy to manage as well. You don't I mean, I've I've had crazy stories both ways, but I've definitely had some crazy section eight stories.
John Tripolsky:I can imagine, like, what things you know, the neurons that fire off in your head when you're like, oh, well, tell me an example of of a. You're probably like, oh my gosh. I have a a Rolodex of people I could call about every situation. We have every example of it.
Jim Ingersoll:No. I haven't had any issues as a landlord in at least, like, five years, zero evictions and no drama, no problems.
John Tripolsky:That's awesome.
Jim Ingersoll:Before that, when I was first learning, I really struggled for a while. I'd have tenants tear places up, not pay rent, create these crazy drama stories. But over time, I've I've put the pieces together to figure that out, and I don't I don't I don't miss it.
John Tripolsky:Right. You're like, somebody else can have those headaches Yeah. Specifically.
Jim Ingersoll:Those are people I like to buy from. They're called burned out landlords. One of my favorite people to buy from. When I meet meet a landlord, a lot of times, I'll say, why don't you sell me your worst two or three properties? And they're like, I would love to do that.
John Tripolsky:Right. It's almost like thinking of it as a a distressed property, but in the landlord's hands, which is an emotionally distressed investment property.
Jim Ingersoll:Yeah. I love buying from landlords. I understand landlords, and I I understand their problems because I was there. Just I overcame them and and made made it work. Right.
Jim Ingersoll:I can solve
John Tripolsky:get them off their portfolio. You're helping them out. Right? Right. They're happy.
John Tripolsky:So as we as we kinda wrap this up a little bit, I know because we can talk on you know, we can take, I think, take this burden, take it in a 100 different directions, right, and and how it's applicable. I I would say anybody that's listening or watching this, obviously, out to reach out to us. Reach out to anybody in your network with any questions, but definitely, definitely, I cannot say it enough. I consider to say definitely for five minutes. Check out dealmaker.
John Tripolsky:That community is incredible. And the other good thing about that is is the questions I think that I've posted in y'all's groups, you get a lot of great responses. It's it never falls on
Jim Ingersoll:definite tax advantaged group. We love discussions on depreciation, ten thirty one's. We're a huge user of self directed IRAs. So we want to use all of the arsenal of taxes. That's why we love having you as part of our community, because you guys can pour into us and help us learn even more things to be doing, whether it's, you know, segregation or a ten thirty one or self directed IRAs.
Jim Ingersoll:Why not? You know, I posted this in the group this week. I don't know if you saw it, but it said, a lot of people think of their Roth as a retirement account. But I said, why don't we think about it differently and think about it as a wealth building machine? Tax free forever is the best gift our government's ever given us.
Jim Ingersoll:And if you self direct that baby, you can really fire it up. I mean, I'm doing private money lending on wraps and earning 30%. Which is very hard to get know, we'll set up to that money's doubling every two to three years. So just shift your mind from, yeah, it's a retirement account, but, like, how could I invest it tax free?
John Tripolsky:Absolutely. And and two, so I know we spoke on it a little bit too as we we kinda come to a close here too, but anybody that is looking to get into this, and this could be a a burn topic. It could be just in general. If somebody met you in an airport and say, hey. What do you do?
John Tripolsky:What do you do? You tell them briefly what you do, you know, the the microness of everything you have experience wise. And they said, hey. I'm I would love to get into that. And maybe something somebody that's not all in saying, hey.
John Tripolsky:I'm going to do this. I really want to do this. They said, hey. I've been thinking about it. What would you tell them if you had a couple minutes, you know, sitting at a an airport waiting on
Jim Ingersoll:Well, think it's good to get into a community where you can learn. I mean, come to check out elitedealmakers.com. Come to our dealmaker Facebook group, or join me in inner circle. I've got a $97 a month easy entry point. I'd love to have you on and talk about taxes, by the way.
Jim Ingersoll:And
John Tripolsky:Well, you want Chris, though. Trust me. You don't want me. I'm just the marketing guy.
Jim Ingersoll:I like hanging out with you. We have you k.com/innercircle. $97 a month is the easiest, cheapest, best group you can find anywhere.
John Tripolsky:Awesome. And, obviously, getting into the world of real estate investing, you'll make some mistakes whether you realize them or not. From day one, they might
Jim Ingersoll:Forever.
John Tripolsky:Come up and bite you in the rear, but you learn from them. And I would say, you know, I got into it in the Airbnb game completely on accident. This was, oh, man, fifteen years ago? Wow. More than that even.
John Tripolsky:Wow. Yeah. Listened to Condo in Downtown Charleston, lived in it for three months, and then had to come back to Michigan from I'll put it on Airbnb. No photos. Nothing.
John Tripolsky:I'm like, I don't even know what this platform is, but somebody told me I should. And then I started getting listings. So my problem there was, how do I turn it between guests? Because I'm not there. So that's a whole another story with that
Jim Ingersoll:So I got a gift for your guests if they want, because you mentioned Airbnb. I created I've been doing a lot with AI. I mean, it's crazy how much stuff I'm doing. And I've created one for, Wrap Lending, and I've created some GPTs for Airbnb to write the listing description, persuasively to fill your occupancy. And, so, if your guests want it, they have to email me.
Jim Ingersoll:I don't have a landing page or anything. But it's called rental pro GPT. I'm I'll give it away for free because it'll help you write better listings. You just email me Jim@elitedealmakers.com, and I'll I'll sign you up for it.
John Tripolsky:Perfect. And we'll go ahead and put that in the show notes too.
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John Tripolsky:So nobody so like I always say people, do not get lazy. We are giving you something here. There's resources. Whether you're listening to this, watching it Look at
Jim Ingersoll:how many how many shows now?
John Tripolsky:140.
Jim Ingersoll:Oh my gosh.
John Tripolsky:Isn't that wild to think about? Even if these were thirty minutes, which we average right around there Yeah. That's a lot of hours.
Jim Ingersoll:Just in
John Tripolsky:talking, not even the editing part of this. Right? Like Right. Just the amount of resources we pull together. And really, frankly, Jim, why I love doing these is I I really enjoy not knowing a a one hundredth of what Chris knows in the tax world, but then having these discussions with people like yourself where, you know, I'm constantly learning with this, and I'm and I feel like I can bring a very unique perspective me and Chris talk about all the time is, you know, I look at this in some of the content we put out, how we put it out, how we structure it, the people we talk to is, you know, if I didn't know everything on either side of the fence, which I don't, how can we merge them together?
John Tripolsky:Because even like you mentioned, even people that are in y'all's community, they might be doing this, have been doing it forty years, but they still come to the events. They still talk to these people because even if they don't learn verbatim from somebody else, it's the mindset. Right? And that might trigger just a different way of doing things, which it's awesome that you brought that up because I think in five episodes from now, we have a a one strictly on mindset. So it's I love it.
John Tripolsky:Rolls into it perfectly. Favorite topics. Love it. Curtis McCollum, great guy. Had a fantastic conversation with him.
John Tripolsky:But, Jim, I can't thank you enough, man. Thank you for for taking the time.
Jim Ingersoll:With you coming from beautiful, historic Ann Arbor, Michigan. Love it, man. I I love it that we
John Tripolsky:dropped in there multiple times. And for everybody also that is an avid listener of this podcast, there's something else that will not be mentioned in this one because Chris is not here. It is a sport that used to be referred to. I haven't heard it as much now as geriatric tennis. So we're not gonna say what sport that is because I can't do that.
John Tripolsky:It has to come from him. So we'll leave it at that, Jim. Thank you again again so much, man. We'll drop your contact in those show notes. People can download that resource for their Airbnb descriptions.
John Tripolsky:Again, do not be lazy. You've got a free podcast. You just got a free thirty minutes with this gentleman here. I know you didn't get any info from me, and I'm okay with that. He's the knowledge base here.
John Tripolsky:So click on that. Share it. Even if it's not for you, share with somebody you know, and kinda just take it. Even if you have your descriptions written for Airbnb, I'd say put them in that. Right, Jim?
John Tripolsky:And just kinda give it a little refresh and see what does. Boost. Awesome. Awesome. Well well, sir, thank you.
John Tripolsky:We're gonna see you soon at one of your events. And for everybody here, we will see you back here again on the Teaching Taskflow podcast next week. Different time, roughly. Completely different topic. Have a great week, everybody.
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